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  • ZiglarZiglar Member

    jeroenvollenbrock:
    @ziglar and others: I’d like to give you a quick (unofficial) update before I’m heading home after a long day of work. We have a hw-patched homey that shows very promising results. (The position of the IR leds is slightly modified to make the IR light bypass the RGB led diffuser.) During one of the first tests I was able to get the IR signal to reach a line-of-sight (unaimed) target at a distance of approximately 8 meters. However, this fix does require two (very minor) changes to both the pcb and the casing to be made. I’m not really in a position to decide if these changes should and can be hand-applied to the current revisions or if new pcb’s and/or casings have to be ordered. (If it takes too much time to apply them, it might be faster and maybe even cheaper to order new ones). I’m going to conduct more tests, and I hope we can give you more information by the end of tomorrow after we’ve finished more tests and discussed the results and procedure with the rest of the team. (I actually didn't even update Emile on the current test results yet :P)

  • BasPostBasPost Member

    ontopic please! ;-)
    I have bookmarked this topic and every time I see an update I'm getting excited that there is news with repaired Homey's and shipment announcements.

  • ZiglarZiglar Member

    BasPost said:
    ontopic please! ;-)
    I have bookmarked this topic and every time I see an update I'm getting excited that there is news with repaired Homey's and shipment announcements.

    mine was on topic :D

  • ReflowReflow Member

    BasPost said:
    ontopic please! ;-)
    I have bookmarked this topic and every time I see an update I'm getting excited that there is news with repaired Homey's and shipment announcements.

    Well there is news! They made a decission yesterday but they didn't shared that information yet with us :)

  • EmileEmile Administrator, Athom
    edited October 2015

    Pure speculation! ;-) We didn't make a descision yet, but we definitely prefer the option to change the LEDs and adjust the casing a little bit. I'm currently contacting our manufacturers to see what the possibilities are.

  • ReflowReflow Member

    Emile said:
    Pure speculation! ;-) We didn't make a descision yet, but we definitely prefer the option to change the LEDs and adjust the casing a little bit. I'm currently contacting our manufacturers to see what the possibilities are.

    And you just changed the speculation to news for us! Whoho :)

  • ReneBoeijeReneBoeije Member

    If new PCB's/casings are ordered, I suggest that the 'wrong' ones are distributed as a gesture to the geek backers. Non-geeks don't know what to do with it and for geeks it is always nice to have a development version, where a limited IR function is no issue. Doing experiments on a development version will at least increase the WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor) of Homey over testing on the 'live' system.
    It would be a waste to trash the 'less functioning' versions.
    [Decide for yourself if this should be taken seriously:)]

  • PeterGroenewegPeterGroeneweg Member

    If may, I want to make a reservation on one of the WAF Homey's :D

  • LaurensOuwerkerkLaurensOuwerkerk Member
    edited October 2015

    +1, with the incentive to have a lot more available in the app store coming from the geeks :)

    (and I support the statement from Rene, me as non-geek wouldn't have a clue what to do with a dev version ;) )

  • PhaetonPhaeton Member
    edited October 2015

    I like the idea. Eventhough it makes athom as kind of Santa claus.

    I think there are more options. 1) They could replace irs and adjust casings. Reusing parts means no throwing away and less costs.

    2) if needed replace PCB and casing. Then maybe sell the old parts at cost level to geeks. Means no/limited costs and happy geeks.

    3) the Santa scenario: give them away. Everybody loves Santa. But he's not a startup with limited funds. Athom is....

    I could live with all options. If scenario 2 would be the case I'd buy one.

  • kriebelkouskriebelkous Member

    I am loving the Santa idea.. but I would distribute it between geeks that actually made an app (probably not me).. makes for a nice incentive for developers.

    On the other hand.. athom might need some spare parts for the first defective devices.

  • BumblezBumblez Member

    They wouldn't have to GIVE them away... those homeys are fully functional, apparently just with a limited IR range. They could sell them at a significant discount, then dev backers who want one, could purchase those.
    And the money would help Athom with all the additional costs they're incurring from this whole process...

  • MarcoVanDenHoutMarcoVanDenHout Member

    Oh yes I'd love to have a slightly 'broken' Homey next to a proper production one. But I don't think there will be many and Athom might put them to good use themselves. Good to hear they have a fix though. Wondering about the current shipping date estimate...

  • kriebelkouskriebelkous Member

    Bumblez said:
    They wouldn't have to GIVE them away... those homeys are fully functional, apparently just with a limited IR range. They could sell them at a significant discount, then dev backers who want one, could purchase those.
    And the money would help Athom with all the additional costs they're incurring from this whole process...

    also a great idea.. but I think athom needs community development harder than $$. They are going to the stores soon. A large selection of apps sells more homeys and would make more $$$ than selling these at a discount..

    Long term vs short term :)

  • ZiglarZiglar Member

    i think that the top of the cases will only be changed, not the entire device, so a WAF is kinda out of the question.
    also the pcb board work fine, its just the case where the iR transmitter is is wrong.
    so the iR module, pcb and bottem case is ok.

  • kriebelkouskriebelkous Member

    That doesn't stop it from becoming Christmas soon ; )

  • EmileEmile Administrator, Athom
    edited October 2015

    So, we've made some changes... :-)

    After I've got all repsonses from the manufacturers I'll update about the shipment delay. Worst case 4 weeks, better case earlier, so be prepared. But hey, it's for a good cause! :)

  • BasPostBasPost Member
    edited October 2015

    Emile said:
    So, we've made some changes... :-)

    After I've got all repsonses from the manufacturers I'll update about the shipment delay. Worst case 4 weeks, better case earlier, so be prepared. But hey, it's for a good cause! :)

    Nice @Emile, thanks for the update. A question though, is this after the adjustments of the casing for infrared?
    And of course, what are the adjustments?

  • EmileEmile Administrator, Athom

    BasPost said:

    Emile said:
    So, we've made some changes... :-)

    After I've got all repsonses from the manufacturers I'll update about the shipment delay. Worst case 4 weeks, better case earlier, so be prepared. But hey, it's for a good cause! :)

    Nice @Emile, thanks for the update. A question though, is this after the adjustments of the casing for infrared?
    And of course, what are the adjustments?

    Yep

  • BasPostBasPost Member

    Emile said:

    BasPost said:

    Emile said:
    So, we've made some changes... :-)

    After I've got all repsonses from the manufacturers I'll update about the shipment delay. Worst case 4 weeks, better case earlier, so be prepared. But hey, it's for a good cause! :)

    Nice @Emile, thanks for the update. A question though, is this after the adjustments of the casing for infrared?
    And of course, what are the adjustments?

    Yep

    But what are the adjustments then?

  • EmileEmile Administrator, Athom
    edited October 2015

    BasPost said:

    But what are the adjustments then?

    Replacement Infrared LEDs, and the removal of 6 crenels (dutch: kantelen).

    We then bypass the diffuse LED ring completely and emit directly to the outside.

  • RobinVanKekemRobinVanKekem Member

    Haven been reading your first sentence like 5 times but can't make anything out of it.

  • EmileEmile Administrator, Athom

    Fixed :)

  • RobinVanKekemRobinVanKekem Member

    Ok, thanks. :-)

    The first part I get but the 2nd part: removal of 6 crenels (kantelen): I guess you have to know how Homey is build to get that? :-)

  • JeroenVollenbrockJeroenVollenbrock Member

    RobinVanKekem said:
    Ok, thanks. :-)

    The first part I get but the 2nd part: removal of 6 crenels (kantelen): I guess you have to know how Homey is build to get that? :-)

    Short answer: yes

    Long answer:
    You can compare it to making 6 tiny U shaped holes of about 1mm just below the joint of the lower casing with the led ring. The ledring itself has a slightly increased diameter, which covers up the largest area of these holes. The leds themselves have been replaced by side looking leds, causing them to line up and get a clear line-of-sight with the target.

  • BumblezBumblez Member
    edited October 2015

    JeroenVollenbrock said:
    You can compare it to making 6 tiny U shaped holes of about 1mm just below the joint of the lower casing with the led ring. The ledring itself has a slightly increased diameter, which covers up the largest area of these holes. The leds themselves have been replaced by side looking leds, causing them to line up and get a clear line-of-sight with the target.

    A clear line-of-sight with the target? I'm probably misinterpreting this, but does that mean that it matters which side of the Homey is pointing towards the target? In other words, does the 10m IR range apply in ANY direction, or only in one specific direction?

  • ImkoImko Member

    Bumblez said:

    JeroenVollenbrock said:
    You can compare it to making 6 tiny U shaped holes of about 1mm just below the joint of the lower casing with the led ring. The ledring itself has a slightly increased diameter, which covers up the largest area of these holes. The leds themselves have been replaced by side looking leds, causing them to line up and get a clear line-of-sight with the target.

    A clear line-of-sight with the target? I'm probably misinterpreting this, but does that mean that it matters which side of the Homey is pointing towards the target? In other words, does the 10m IR range apply in ANY direction, or only in one specific direction?

    I am reading "6 tiny U shaped holes" so i guess there are 6 IR led's that point in 6 directions.

  • BumblezBumblez Member

    Imko said:
    I am reading "6 tiny U shaped holes" so i guess there are 6 IR led's that point in 6 directions.

    Yeah, that would make sense... I really hope those 6 holes provide a full 360 degrees coverage.

  • honeyhoney Member

    Now I am worried again. If you will place it below the ring (which slightly projects out from the body) than that can limit the vertical upward distribution. If the homey is right below the wall mounted TV (in my case the distance would be 1 meter) than I am afraid that the TV would not receive any IR signal from homey. Have you tested the vertical IR transmission?

  • JulianJulian Member

    Perhaps they can switch the TV and Homey as shown in the test video? Then Homey 'fires' downward while the tv is way up?

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