question: How do you guys manage the flows

mbalik79

After two months having a homey at home i have a question how other users manage their flows. The folder option is a great sollution, but afte +100 flows I don't how to put it on a logic way. For example I have a folder TV-flows. In this folder I have all my flows for the television (switching channels by name, etc).
But after a while I don't know exactly know whichs flows I have (and at which place).
How did you guys have did managed?

MarcoF

I don't manage them. Its more "trail and error" and search myself crazy on bugs and/or used components/cards....

Its mentioned already and is would be great if @Athom could implements a function like;
Show which flows are using:
AndroidTV:CardX,
KaKuRemote:ButtonX
Soundboard:SoundX

With such a "feature" it becomes possible to found out why SoundsX is played at a certain moment or why 2 actions are triggered after pushing button X of remoteX

mbalik79

MarcoF said:

I don't manage them. Its more "trail and error" and search myself crazy on bugs and/or used components/cards....

Its mentioned already and is would be great if @Athom could implements a function like;
Show which flows are using:
AndroidTV:CardX,
KaKuRemote:ButtonX
Soundboard:SoundX

With such a "feature" it becomes possible to found out why SoundsX is played at a certain moment or why 2 actions are triggered after pushing button X of remoteX

But don't you have any flow like "light on when sun goes down", "lights on when somebody is at home", etc.. I curious how other homey user's have place them in folders...

DaneeDeKruyff

 For time based flows (timers/sunset/Sunrise) I use a folder 'Time Based'

For a light or lights in a location I use the location name ie. Hallway. In that folder the wallswitches toggle a boolean variable (Better Logic) and a change in the boolean variable toggle's the light state accordingly.

If I want to turn the same light on or off based on sunset or bedtime I make a flow in 'Time Based' that sets the before mentioned boolean.

If I would change the light state based on what the TV does I would make a flow that set's the boolean variable in the 'TV flows' folder.

So for me finding an action cards that sets a variable would be very handy.

MatjaLipu does with his Candy app (https://forum.athom.com/discussion/1646/candy-productivity-app#latest) I wonder if a search function for flows could be build in an app.

MatjaLipu

I organise flows by devices in actions. (folder tree; lights, living room, corner)

Filtering flows by device it's using shouldn't be a problem.
In general: show flows using specified cards and args (devices, buttons, values).

Can you describe what search use cases are you looking for?

DaneeDeKruyff

@MatjaLipu

I think it would be very usable if you could search for a specific card in the then column.

For example, the action that set's my light(s) is in a specific folder for the location of that light(s), but the flows to set the boolean that triggers that light can be any where, ranging from the same folder (if it's a switch in the same location) to my folder for 'Time Based' or anything else.

So if I want to find all flows that will do something with my 'Ganglamp' (Hallway lights):

Find all flows with a set/flip boolean variable named 'Ganglamp' in the ...then column:

How the results would be presented is something to think about, if there are multiple results you'd want to be able to return to the search results after checking out a result from the list.

mbalik79

I think my question wasn't good enough. My fault, I mean't how to organize everything in flowmanager..On zone, device or trigger..I think I'm gonna do something like @MatjaLipu write above here.. thanks for the answer so far

DaneeDeKruyff

No, you're question is vaild and clear, there's just many ways you can organize it so a search function would be very welcome, that's where @MatjaLipu jumped in and asked what search use cases we're looking for. The one I describe above is usefull for my way of arranging flows, but may differ for others, but anyone can jump in and explain their use cases.

mbalik79

@DaneeDeKruyff can you explane where you are use the betterlogic for (maybe a screenshot of a flow). I think I'm not getting everything out of this app (think it's more powerfull then I think now). 

DaneeDeKruyff

Sure, no problem.

What I wanted to do is switch the Hallway lamps (Ganglamp) with 2 switches, one near the living and the other next to the front door, a two-way switch (Hotelschakeling)

There are two Klik-aan-klik-uit AWMT-003 switches mounted in the wallswitches and two Hue lamps I want to turn on or off.

I've created a Boolean variable in Better Logic called 'Ganglamp'

Next I've created the flows to set that variable:

Schakelaar 1 aan:

Schakelaar 1 uit:

Schakelaar 2 aan:

Schakelaar 2 uit:

The switches do not actually turn the lamp on or off, they toggle a boolean, so there is another flow needed:

Switch the lights:

To extend on this way of switching lights on and off:

When the generic alarm of a motion sensor is turned on:

Another option would be to set the Boolean to true when the doorbell is rang etc.

Hope this makes it a bit clear for you

mbalik79

Ok..thanks! That makes it clear.. You use the switch to set a boolean (and not the device). The device can so be swichted on the trigger of the boolean

keverjeroen

Nice example! So this is how you can make an 'hotel schakeling' with kaku switches.

Vonkenboer

mbalik79 said:

After two months having a homey at home i have a question how other users manage their flows. The folder option is a great sollution, but afte +100 flows I don't how to put it on a logic way. For example I have a folder TV-flows. In this folder I have all my flows for the television (switching channels by name, etc).
But after a while I don't know exactly know whichs flows I have (and at which place).
How did you guys have did managed?

I stumbled on the same issue as you did.

Would be nice to have an clickable cross-reference page in the Homey WebGui. I added a posting to the suggestion section:
https://forum.athom.com/discussion/1829/add-cross-reference-page-in-webgui-for-searching-and-monitoring-devices-and-variables#latest

MatjaLipu

You can check out flow explorer https://forum.athom.com/discussion/comment/31594/#Comment_31594