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80% of the people want a system that just works.
If Google creates a ecosystem and things like Lights, Heating, Cams, Locks works out of the box.... then multi protocols are not needed
The already own Nest (Heating, Cam, Smoke/Fire detection).
However Amazons move is very interesting. Will result more inventors to jump into this field + the exisiting players (zipato, fibaro etc..) may add this capability in the near future. That is why athom should stop keep postponing the introduction otherwise they wont be able to gain a critical mass before the others will go out to conquer the market. Homey might be the best product we can see on the horizon at the moment but it wont stay like that for long. Everyone wants to be in the IOT bussinees and most players have much faster development pace than 2 years.
http://www.amazon.com/Amazon-SK705DI-Echo/dp/B00X4WHP5E
Most of the "normal" non techie/geek customer just want a system that works and it doesn't care them if it uses 1/2/5/10 protocols, it just need to work.
With BLE/WiFi/Zigbee/Ethernet its possible to connect 90% of the normal customer devices/appliances.
What do you expect from homey/google/nest/others on this point?
And the didn't announce a product with specific a feature set, so it's a bit dark on what the product can/will do for the customer.
But Homey combines a lot of stuff that through!
Real automation == AI
In my opinion automation is smart triggering. AI is a bridge to far nowdays but within a couple of years, i go with MarcoF.
If sun down then sunscreen close
and
if sun up then sunscreen open
BUT
If we are in the backyard i want the sunscreen to stay open.
Also i want the TV-corner to power-off (eliminate standby usage) after 22:30 (Sunday-Thursday) and 00:30 (Friday and Saturday).
But if we have a party OR sexytime OR we are just up late then the TV-corner needs to be/stay on.
I think this is something real world and MM/Google/Nest/Yahoo consumers also expect from real home automation.
The current mainstream domotica isn't able to do these thing out of the box and the average consumer don't have the time/experience/knowledge to make these custom flows.
AI can say;
Hey its the first weekend after the birthday of Marco so there probably will be a Party and lights go off if .......
I'm not working all fridays, so how do i need to program Homey to set Coffee, heat the place etc on Friday?
AI == Real Home Automation
Why should i need variables when the ecosystem/controller does everything for me?
Why should I(!) flip a present boolean on entering/leaving a place if the system knows precisely where i am?
Or why should I program that the sirene should sound when smoke is detect if the system can do it for me out of the box?
Do i need to give another 100+ examples?
I'm challenging you to create only 2(!) flows on homey that can handle the sunscreen and tv-corner flows as i described and which can be exported and imported.
If you manage this one/1(!) week(!) after the Pre-order delivery, I take care of delivering 1 beer crate of your choice (available at Albert Heijn) at your home by Albert.nl(if you give my your adres)!
I would like to see/discus where Homey and his competitors are standing.
On the hardware/component level Its not what i want, its what the average customer can and wants to buy/do.
Athom goes to MM and MM also sells HUE (bridge and WiFi makes it 100% work in 99% of the homes) so for the Amazone/Google/Nest/etc there is no need to support Zigbee(Homey has a Zigbee chip onboard and, for so far, isn't using it ). In another area MM sells AndroidTV's which can be controlled over WiFi. Every webshop sells NetAtmo which makes it possible to monitor temp/humidity/co2 in your house over WiFi.
Same example for other devices/components.
Z-wave is a great protocol, but also have a lot of downsides.
Zigbee is more closed (and regulated), but is more clear to manufacturers to follow the technical guidelines.
433 is widely used, but it also have a major downside on the protocol end.
For now its a great choice to support multiple protocols, but i hope the future will bring a more flatten domotica protocol world.
Athom has the key and I hope its the key to a more stable/(protocol)flatten/generic domotica world.
I would like to see a more generic Domitica world because handling and maintaining >5500 lines of custom codes on my Vera3 is a pain in the ***.
The crate of beer still stand
Google it, lots of movies on YouTube, read the specs, people using IFTTT
And its really and i mean fast compared to Homey
like i say it really works, something you still cant say of homey.
And for most users it dos the job, there are more things with bridges then not cuss most allready have domotica in their house. just as homey its a add on to existing domotica for 90% of the users.
homey is walking behind in working domotica world at the moment, antoher example samsung smartthings