[APP] Thermo-Floor app: Z-wave thermostat for electrical heating - Main discussion topic (v1.0.0)

TedTolboom · May 2017

Thermo-Floor App - Multireg / Heatit Z-wave thermostat for electrical floor heating

This app adds support for devices made by Thermo-Floor AS and sold by the name Multireg, Magnum and Heatit.

Links:

Thermo-Floor App Athom apps
Thermo-Floor App Github repository

Devices supported:

Multireg / Magnum Z-wave thermostat (TF-016) / Heatit Z-wave thermostat (TF-021)

The Multireg / Heatit Z-Wave thermostat is an electronic thermostat for flush mounting in a standard wall box for regulating electric floor heating. The thermostat has a built-in Z-Wave chip that can be connected to Home Automation systems like Homey.
The following triggers are supported:
- Thermostat mode has changed
- Thermostat mode has changed to
- The temperature has changed
- The target temperature has changed
The following action cards are supported:
- Set the temperature (of current thermostat mode)
- Set the thermostat mode
- Set the setpoint of a thermostat mode
This app is compatible with the Heating schedule app updating the target temperature of the active thermostat mode

Supported Languages:

English
Dutch

Acknowledments:

This app and driver development is currently supported by:

The alpha release testers (much appreciated): @NPeters, @dbonsaksen and @d.janssen
Robbshop by providing a thermostat for debugging:

Feedback:

Any requests please post them in the https://forum.athom.com/discussion/3181/ Thermo-Floor app topic on the Athom Forum or contact me on Slack

If possible, please report issues at the issues section on Github otherwise in the above mentioned topic.

Donate:

If you like the app, consider a donation to support development

Changelog:

v1.0.0App store ready updateAdded 2 additional action cards ('change themostat mode' and 'change setpoint of specific thermostat mode')

TedTolboom · May 2017

Thermostat inclusion instructions:

Mobile card of the Z-wave Thermosat:

Note: Temperature will show actual temperature if the thermostat internal settings are set correctly (== to either an external temperature sensor (A2) or external floor sensor (F). The internal temperature sensor has been disabled.

The following triggers are supported:

Thermostat mode has changed (mode name and ID tokens):
Thermostat mode has changed to (drop down list):
The temperature has changed (temperature token)
The target temperature has changed (setpoint token)

The following action cards are supported:

Set the temperature (of current thermostat mode)
Set the thermostat mode (and activate it directly):
Set the setpoint of a thermostat mode (will not activate the mode):

anne · May 2017

As mentioned in the other thread, the Heat-it thermostat appears to be the same as the Magnum branded 'Z-wave control' thermostat (I guess useful to mention in the app):
https://www.magnumheating.nl/producten/58-1-elektrische+systemen/p-299-magnum+z-wave+control

TedTolboom · May 2017

anne said:

As mentioned in the other thread, the Heat-it thermostat appears to be the same as the Magnum branded 'Z-wave control' thermostat (I guess useful to mention in the app):
https://www.magnumheating.nl/producten/58-1-elektrische+systemen/p-299-magnum+z-wave+control

@anne I'm aware of your earlier comment.
Both the Multireg and Heatit are Z-wave certified products (and have different type numbers, although the Z-wave ID's are the same), I cannot find this information for the Magnum Z-wave thermostat.
I will clarify with with Magnum heating.

anne · May 2017

Ah, ok

By the way, I received some useful information on something related to another Magnum thermostat via info@magnum.nl, they were quite responsive.

TedTolboom · May 2017

Brief update:
Alpha testing is progressing well, especially with the support of @npeters, @dbonsaksen and the thermostat that has been provided (temporarely) by Robbshop.

Most functionality is working; thermostat modes (off / comfort / eco / cooling), setpoints and states.

Image: https://forum.athom.com/uploads/editor/c4/6dtquk09zyzm.png

Some smaller issues need to be resolved before releasing to the app store.

If you like to test, check the alpha branch on github, and contact me on Slack so I can add you to the closed user group.

TedTolboom · June 2017

The Thermo-Floor app has been submitted to the app store and is pending approval.

Changelog:
v1.0.0
App store ready update
Added 2 additional action cards ('change themostat mode' and 'change setpoint of specific thermostat mode')

A brief demo of the responsiveness (updating the setpoints) of the mobile card is shown in this movie

TedTolboom · June 2017

and available in the app store: https://apps.athom.com/app/no.thermofloor

NPeters · June 2017

Great job @TedTolboom

Arjen · October 2017

Thanks! It took several attempts before homey and heat-it were on speaking terms, due to include-timeouts and some zwave errors, but now it works. Thanks for putting in the effort, much appreciated!
Happy feet!

TedTolboom · October 2017

Arjen said:

Thanks! It took several attempts before homey and heat-it were on speaking terms, due to include-timeouts and some zwave errors, but now it works. Thanks for putting in the effort, much appreciated!
Happy feet!

Thanks for the feedback!
Let me know if you have any questions / improvenent ideas...

goran · October 2017

Hi,

Thanks for a great app, just a question though.
I've just added my Heatit thermofloor and everything works great, but Homey shows in the setting for the thermostat that "secure = no". All my other z-wave plus devices shows "yes" in that section. Not sure but i guess that it means that encryption isn't used?

Image: https://forum.athom.com/uploads/editor/ba/mg9x3f1u21f6.png

How does it look for you other guys that have Heatit thermostats in this section?

Thanks

///Goran

TedTolboom · October 2017

goran said:

Hi,

Thanks for a great app, just a question though.
I've just added my Heatit thermofloor and everything works great, but Homey shows in the setting for the thermostat that "secure = no". All my other z-wave plus devices shows "yes" in that section. Not sure but i guess that it means that encryption isn't used?

How does it look for you other guys that have Heatit thermostats in this section?

Thanks

///Goran

@Goran I appreciate your feedback!

The Thermofloor thermostat (incl. re-branded Heatit / Magnum) are equipped with a Z-wave chip and not a Z-wave plus chip. The latter supports encryption (secure communication) and if battery powered is more energy efficient.

So these thermostats will be added non secure to Homey. This will not limit the usage options if this thermostat.
One minor limitation is that it will not be possible to add secure Z-wave devices to association group 2 to switch or or off when the thermostat switches on or off. This can be contained by by creating a flow within Homey.

Thermofloor will announce this quarter a new version of it’s Multireg thermostat that will be based on the plus chipset; since the Z-wave alliance is enforcing encryption for new to be certified devices.

haakeik · November 2017

TedTolboom said:

goran said:

Hi,

Thanks for a great app, just a question though.
I've just added my Heatit thermofloor and everything works great, but Homey shows in the setting for the thermostat that "secure = no". All my other z-wave plus devices shows "yes" in that section. Not sure but i guess that it means that encryption isn't used?

How does it look for you other guys that have Heatit thermostats in this section?

Thanks

///Goran

@Goran I appreciate your feedback!

The Thermofloor thermostat (incl. re-branded Heatit / Magnum) are equipped with a Z-wave chip and not a Z-wave plus chip. The latter supports encryption (secure communication) and if battery powered is more energy efficient.

So these thermostats will be added non secure to Homey. This will not limit the usage options if this thermostat.
One minor limitation is that it will not be possible to add secure Z-wave devices to association group 2 to switch or or off when the thermostat switches on or off. This can be contained by by creating a flow within Homey.

Thermofloor will announce this quarter a new version of it’s Multireg thermostat that will be based on the plus chipset; since the Z-wave alliance is enforcing encryption for new to be certified devices.

The Multireg/Heatit thermostats IS Z-Wave Plus certified.
http://www.heatit.com/heating-control/floor-heating-thermostats/heatit-z-wave-thermostat/

In january 2018 there will be a new version of the thermostat which includes Power metering.
http://www.heatit.com/heating-control/floor-heating-thermostats/heatit-z-therm2/

TedTolboom · November 2017

haakeik said:

TedTolboom said:

goran said:

Hi,

Thanks for a great app, just a question though.
I've just added my Heatit thermofloor and everything works great, but Homey shows in the setting for the thermostat that "secure = no". All my other z-wave plus devices shows "yes" in that section. Not sure but i guess that it means that encryption isn't used?

How does it look for you other guys that have Heatit thermostats in this section?

Thanks

///Goran

@Goran I appreciate your feedback!

The Thermofloor thermostat (incl. re-branded Heatit / Magnum) are equipped with a Z-wave chip and not a Z-wave plus chip. The latter supports encryption (secure communication) and if battery powered is more energy efficient.

So these thermostats will be added non secure to Homey. This will not limit the usage options if this thermostat.
One minor limitation is that it will not be possible to add secure Z-wave devices to association group 2 to switch or or off when the thermostat switches on or off. This can be contained by by creating a flow within Homey.

Thermofloor will announce this quarter a new version of it’s Multireg thermostat that will be based on the plus chipset; since the Z-wave alliance is enforcing encryption for new to be certified devices.

The Multireg/Heatit thermostats IS Z-Wave Plus certified.
http://www.heatit.com/heating-control/floor-heating-thermostats/heatit-z-wave-thermostat/

In january 2018 there will be a new version of the thermostat which includes Power metering.
http://www.heatit.com/heating-control/floor-heating-thermostats/heatit-z-therm2/

@haakeik ah, indeed it’s Z-wave Plus my error.
But it doesn’t change the answer... let me explain:

Z-wave Plus supports encryption but for older devices doesn’t mean encryption is enabled / implemented by the supplier. It can be added by a FW update, but current FW (1.18) does not have encryption enabled.

As of summer 2017, the Z-wave alliance is enforcing encryption when a manufacturer wants the product to be certified... From Thermo-Floor development I understood that they are in process of certification, so that would mean encryption will likely be enabled on these new devices...

johane77 · November 2017

Could those thermostats be integrated in this kind of system?

http://www.pricerunner.se/sp/lk-rumstermostat-trådlös.html

gunnerk · November 2017

TedTolboom said:

goran said:

Hi,

Thanks for a great app, just a question though.
I've just added my Heatit thermofloor and everything works great, but Homey shows in the setting for the thermostat that "secure = no". All my other z-wave plus devices shows "yes" in that section. Not sure but i guess that it means that encryption isn't used?

How does it look for you other guys that have Heatit thermostats in this section?

Thanks

///Goran

@Goran I appreciate your feedback!

The Thermofloor thermostat (incl. re-branded Heatit / Magnum) are equipped with a Z-wave chip and not a Z-wave plus chip. The latter supports encryption (secure communication) and if battery powered is more energy efficient.

So these thermostats will be added non secure to Homey. This will not limit the usage options if this thermostat.
One minor limitation is that it will not be possible to add secure Z-wave devices to association group 2 to switch or or off when the thermostat switches on or off. This can be contained by by creating a flow within Homey.

Thermofloor will announce this quarter a new version of it’s Multireg thermostat that will be based on the plus chipset; since the Z-wave alliance is enforcing encryption for new to be certified devices.

I agree, great app and good devices.

I have four Heatit thermostats running on Homey now, working just fine. But I've had a hard time trying to understand the association limitation due to the ecryption before I read this post.

I wish to use association to trigger a wall plug (currently fibaro's) to trigger an auxillary oven (apart from my floor heating) to raise the temperature quicker. It works perfectly in one of my rooms, but in the other room it didn't work. As it turns out, one of my Fibaro plug is older, and is not Z-wave plus.....

Now I have three questions:
1. Is it possible to turn of the encryption on the Fibaro-plug? (I guess not..)
2. Would it be possible to uppgrade the firmware for the thermostats to make them compliant to Z.wave plus? As I said I have four of them, changing to a new model is expensive.
3. Do anyone have a good example of a flow doing this. I had expected a trigger on the "state" to do this the easiest way.

-Gunner

k1s · March 2018

Hi,

Now that the Heating Scheduler App is no more, do you have any plans to add this functionality to this app?

(I have 7 Heat-It controlled zones that I would really like to schedule 'centrally' rather than one by one if possible).

Sjalabert · March 2018

Does anyone know when the 'heatit-z-therm2' is available? I am working on a renovation and I have to purchase a new underfloor heating.

Stian · March 2018

Hi,
Do you know if Heatit Z-water can be controlled by homey?

Sjalabert · March 2018

There is an app available : https://apps.athom.com/app/no.thermofloor

I'm waiting for the Therm 2 (because it's zwave-plus (secure). When it doesn't work with this App. I will contact the programmer (Ted Tolboom) true Github and ask if he will modify it. Even I will support it with a PayPal donation.

TedTolboom · March 2018

k1s said:

Hi,

Now that the Heating Scheduler App is no more, do you have any plans to add this functionality to this app?

(I have 7 Heat-It controlled zones that I would really like to schedule 'centrally' rather than one by one if possible).

@k1s the direct answer would be no...
the real advantage of the heating scheduler app was the ability to link different devices into an integral scheduler. It does not make sense to try to rebuild this into this app (seperately)....
I still hope that another dev will pick up the task to re-create this heating scheduler app.

Sjalabert said:

There is an app available : https://apps.athom.com/app/no.thermofloor I'm waiting for the Therm 2 (because it's zwave-plus (secure). When it doesn't work with this App. I will contact the programmer (Ted Tolboom) true Github and ask if he will modify it. Even I will support it with a PayPal donation.

@Sjalabert the developer is reading along... no need (yet) for a Github issue ;-P

Yes, I have been monitoring new developments from Thermofloor / Heat-it..
I did not see the products popping-up in the stores yet; could have missed it off course..

I will contact my friends at Thermofloor to see if I can get 'early' access to these devices to include them to the app...

Some notes to make:
- The current app is still SDK1 based. I will only add support for new devices based on SDK2...
so that means that I need to update the current app (and driver) first... which is more work than it sounds, since the Z-wave thermostat driver has quite some specific functions that need to be converted, debugged and re-tested
- The Z-therm2 implementation seems similar to the current Z-wave thermostat; a lot if it can be re-used
- The Heatit Z-water is a straightforward device to add based on SDK2

So the main hurdle is (the time) to re-write the current app and driver to SDK2...
which is running extremely stable right now (no changes / issues since june last year)...

Let me check with Thermofloor first.

Sjalabert · April 2018

Somebody knows where I can get this thermostat : http://www.heatit.com/heating-control/floor-heating-thermostats/heatit-z-wave-thermostat/

(it's Z-wave plus)

k1s · April 2018

Sjalabert said:

Somebody knows where I can get this thermostat : http://www.heatit.com/heating-control/floor-heating-thermostats/heatit-z-wave-thermostat/

(it's Z-wave plus)

I got mine from Vesternet.com

Sjalabert · April 2018

k1s said:

Sjalabert said:

Somebody knows where I can get this thermostat : http://www.heatit.com/heating-control/floor-heating-thermostats/heatit-z-wave-thermostat/

(it's Z-wave plus)

I got mine from Vesternet.com

It's works great with Homey? And there is no problem with shipping to the Netherlands?

k1s · April 2018

Sjalabert said:
It's works great with Homey? And there is no problem with shipping to the Netherlands?

I don't if it "works great with Homey", because I don't know Homey very well. I have 7 that worked fine with FIbaro HC2, and I've added 2 to Homey, using the driver in this thread but without a proper scheduling function, I've struggled with 'flows' to try to get them to be useful again as automated devices. I think Vesternet ships worldwide.

TedTolboom · April 2018