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Support for Visonic Sensors (868) and Oregon Scientific Sensors (433)

ErikVanDongenErikVanDongen Member
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Will it be hard to create an app for supporting Visonic Security Sensors and Oregon Scientific Temperature/Humidity Sensors?
Or is it on your backlog allready?
I have a lot of this devices installed now and want to migrate them to Homey as soon as possible.

I found a decoding library for the Visonic protocol here: https://github.com/jcw/jeelib/blob/master/examples/RF12/ookRelay2/decoders.h
And a protocol description as an appendix in this manual: http://www.becu.nl/informatie/docalarm/MCT100_installatiehandleiding.pdf

In this repository there are a lot of other decoders on the 443 band like for the Oregon Scientific protocol: https://github.com/Cactusbone/ookDecoder

Are there other developers seeking support for these two protocols?

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  • woozerwoozer

    You can look into https://github.com/pimatic/rfcontroljs

  • OskarOskar Member
    Is anyone still looking at this? 
    I have a visonic alarm system and would love to also use the sensors with Homey as a trigger for my lights to go on in a room. I'm not a developer so no clue how to do this myself. 
  • mruitermruiter Member
    Me to but i think it will be verry hard because visonic will prob not share its info so everyone can hack the powermax systems.
  • RamonBaasRamonBaas Member
    You can use my Visonic app: https://github.com/nlrb/com.visonic.powermax
  • luccie_007luccie_007 Member
    edited April 2016
    RamonBaas said:
    Did you send it in to be approved?

    Does it talk over the X10 interface of via 433mhz wireless?
    By that i mean App-Homey->Control Station

    Because the Powermax Complete looks good, but doesnt have the X10 interface.

    I'm looking to buy a new alarm, and this looks affordable.
    How is your experience? A lot of false alarms or not? And how is the range of the wireless sensors?

    Going to dig into this system myself.

  • OskarOskar Member
    RamonBaas said:
    You can use my Visonic app: https://github.com/nlrb/com.visonic.powermax
    How do I install this? Would like to test it out, but I only know the homey appstore to get new apps in.
    you have a short description how to install, or should I wait until it appears in the app store?
  • luccie_007luccie_007 Member
    Oskar said:
    RamonBaas said:
    You can use my Visonic app: https://github.com/nlrb/com.visonic.powermax
    How do I install this? Would like to test it out, but I only know the homey appstore to get new apps in.
    you have a short description how to install, or should I wait until it appears in the app store?
    Somewheree in the Bettervariable logic topic it is explained.
  • bvdbosbvdbos Member
    edited April 2016
    also on github and the dev-pages
    https://github.com/athombv/node-athom-cli
    https://developers.athom.com/

  • RamonBaasRamonBaas Member
    RamonBaas said:
    Did you send it in to be approved?

    Not yet, as I am still developing it further. Will do so in the near future.
    luccie_007 said:
    Does it talk over the X10 interface of via 433mhz wireless?
    By that i mean App-Homey->Control Station

    Because the Powermax Complete looks good, but doesnt have the X10 interface.
    The communication to the app is via TCP/IP. It expects the serial interface of the Visonic panel to be communicated over the network (e.g. via a serial to IP converter). 
    luccie_007 said:
    I'm looking to buy a new alarm, and this looks affordable.
    How is your experience? A lot of false alarms or not? And how is the range of the wireless sensors?
    I have the alarm for years already and am pretty happy with it. Had 2 false alarms over the years (one due to a faulty sensor, the other unexplained). No issue with the range of the sensors.

    If you want to integrate a Visonic alarm with a home automation system, I would recommend not to go for the newer PowerMaster range but use the 'older' PowerMax range. The PowerMaster sensors only send status updates to the panel while it is armed.
  • RamonBaasRamonBaas Member

    Oskar said:
    RamonBaas said:
    You can use my Visonic app: https://github.com/nlrb/com.visonic.powermax
    How do I install this? Would like to test it out, but I only know the homey appstore to get new apps in.
    you have a short description how to install, or should I wait until it appears in the app store?
    Indeed via the athom cli.
    `athom project --install com.visonic.powermax`
  • luccie_007luccie_007 Member
    edited April 2016
    RamonBaas said:
    RamonBaas said:
    Did you send it in to be approved?

    Not yet, as I am still developing it further. Will do so in the near future.
    luccie_007 said:
    Does it talk over the X10 interface of via 433mhz wireless?
    By that i mean App-Homey->Control Station

    Because the Powermax Complete looks good, but doesnt have the X10 interface.
    The communication to the app is via TCP/IP. It expects the serial interface of the Visonic panel to be communicated over the network (e.g. via a serial to IP converter). 
    luccie_007 said:
    I'm looking to buy a new alarm, and this looks affordable.
    How is your experience? A lot of false alarms or not? And how is the range of the wireless sensors?
    I have the alarm for years already and am pretty happy with it. Had 2 false alarms over the years (one due to a faulty sensor, the other unexplained). No issue with the range of the sensors.

    If you want to integrate a Visonic alarm with a home automation system, I would recommend not to go for the newer PowerMaster range but use the 'older' PowerMax range. The PowerMaster sensors only send status updates to the panel while it is armed.
    As converter, the following would be ok?
    http://nl.aliexpress.com/item/USR-TCP232-T-RS232-serial-to-ethernet-converter-tcp-ip-module/1679760204.html

    And ofcourse the PCB to go to RSR232 from the powermax connection.
    http://catalog.visonic.com/communication-solutions/communication-ip-solutions/91/

    Old means marktplaats so that is good for me.

    And the Powermaxcomplete?
    The rsr232 module is available for it. So theoretically it should be possible? Or does it use a different protocol?
    http://www.visonic.com/Products/Wireless-Property-Protection/PowerMaxComplete


    Found this bytheway:
    http://www.domoticaforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=11129

  • ErikVanDongenErikVanDongen Member
    When the rf api is documented I will make an attempt to receive visonic sensors directly on Homey. I don't have a powermax and want to replace my rfxcom some day.
  • luccie_007luccie_007 Member
    ErikVanDongen said:
    When the rf api is documented I will make an attempt to receive visonic sensors directly on Homey. I don't have a powermax and want to replace my rfxcom some day.
    There is some documentation when you look at some domotica sites.
    I would stil prefer to use the original controller because it is probably more stable and usefull for its purpose.
    And read out the sensors via there.

    B-wired also uses a lot of these sensors, maybe he has some more documentation.
  • ErikVanDongenErikVanDongen Member
    The topic starter allready found decoding docs :wink: . The waiting is on the Homey RF-manager documentation.
  • MatjaLipuMatjaLipu Member
    Once you have defined words it should be a lot easier.
  • RamonBaasRamonBaas Member
    edited April 2016
    USR-TCP232-T or --E will work directly on the TTL pins. Use that one as well. PowerMax Complete will also work. They all have the same serial protocol. Just the Visonic RS232 pcb is hard to find as the new version is USB.
  • JeroenvanoJeroenvano Member
    RamonBaas said:
    You can use my Visonic app: https://github.com/nlrb/com.visonic.powermax
    Hi Ramon, any update on the public release?

    Will this enable Homey to read out e.g. door sensors, alarm state (enabled/disabled) though the powerlink 2 making flow decisions?

    Regards, Jeroen.
  • RamonBaasRamonBaas Member
    @Jeroenvano : I haven't spend any time on that (was working on making some other apps), but will try to find some time this weekend. Mainly still need to create the images, documentation etc.

    The app connects to the panel via the serial protocol. It does not work together with a PowerLink (2). Advantage is that you don't need to buy an expensive Powerlink module and we have direct control to the panel. Disadvantage is that you will need to create an interface (serial to net or ttl to net) yourself. Information on that e.g. on http://www.domoticaforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=7152.

    Indeed the app gives the ability to get sensor information (triggered, low battery, tamper alarm), which can be used in flows. You can also (dis-)arm your panel via the app if you like. Or e.g. turn off all lights once the panel is armed away. It is based on my code I made for the Vera plugin (http://code.mios.com/trac/mios_visonic-powermax). So pretty much same functionality in the back-end, but the Homey front-end (UI, speech) etc. is completely different.
  • RamonBaasRamonBaas Member
    Visonic app part continued here: https://forum.athom.com/discussion/1264/
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