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[Idea / Urgent request] Controlling pre-programmed sentences
Yellow
Member
Dear Athom,
Homey is getting more mature and more "out-of-the-box" useable. I think this is a great approvement since the beginning of Homey. I applaud you and your efforts.
While this is great for the main stream user, this could be a problem for the tweaker or more advanced user (me). In fact it could be the end of an unique selling point: Making your own flows, including your own trigger sentences (Or as you state on the website: "Using these building blocks there are an infinite number of possibilities, so everyone can make their home do what they want").
I would like to point out the following problem:
The adding of pre-programmed sentences limits the use of universal generic sentences to be used in personalised flows.
Examples of pre-programmed sentences: I am home, lights off in room X, start music, sleep well.
I would like you to come up with an solution for the growing number of pre-programmed sentences in Homey and Homey apps.
While I understand that these sentences are neccesary for the starter and "out-of-the-box" users, these sentences are killing the usability of custom triggers.
My request for change:
The ability to turn off pre-programmed sentences in the control panel. For example:
Trigger Status
"Lights of in room X" on | off
"I am home" on | off
Homey is getting more mature and more "out-of-the-box" useable. I think this is a great approvement since the beginning of Homey. I applaud you and your efforts.
While this is great for the main stream user, this could be a problem for the tweaker or more advanced user (me). In fact it could be the end of an unique selling point: Making your own flows, including your own trigger sentences (Or as you state on the website: "Using these building blocks there are an infinite number of possibilities, so everyone can make their home do what they want").
The adding of pre-programmed sentences limits the use of universal generic sentences to be used in personalised flows.
Examples of pre-programmed sentences: I am home, lights off in room X, start music, sleep well.
I would like you to come up with an solution for the growing number of pre-programmed sentences in Homey and Homey apps.
While I understand that these sentences are neccesary for the starter and "out-of-the-box" users, these sentences are killing the usability of custom triggers.
My request for change:
The ability to turn off pre-programmed sentences in the control panel. For example:
Trigger Status
"Lights of in room X" on | off
"I am home" on | off
Two examples of the annoying side effects of the pre-programmed sentences:
Note: The sentences are translated from Dutch. So it can differ in English.
Trigger: "Lights off in the living room"
My programmed output: "Lights off in the living room". Lights dim. Timer 60 sec: Lights out.
Trigger: "Lights off in the living room"
My programmed output: "Lights off in the living room". Lights dim. Timer 60 sec: Lights out.
The result because of the pre-programmed sentence: "All lights off in the living room." Lights instantantly go off
My frustration: I would like some time to get out of the room and not go complete darkness.
Trigger: "I am home."
My programmed output: "Welcome home, it is <temp living room> degrees."
The result because of the pre-programmed sentence: "Welcome <My name>, good to see you again! Welcome home, it is <temp living room> degrees."
My frustration: It adds an extra sentence which can not be changed and it uses only my name, while my gf uses it as well.
These are just two examples, but the numbers increase with every update of Homey and Homey apps.
What do you (other users and Athom) think about this proposal?
Edit:
- Minor changes
- Update: Issue is also mentioned on Github: https://github.com/athombv/homey/issues/1489 by mwandzik and https://github.com/athombv/homey/issues/1048 byjjtbsomhorst.
Most important is the option to control the pre-programmed sentences.
My frustration: I would like some time to get out of the room and not go complete darkness.
Trigger: "I am home."
My programmed output: "Welcome home, it is <temp living room> degrees."
The result because of the pre-programmed sentence: "Welcome <My name>, good to see you again! Welcome home, it is <temp living room> degrees."
My frustration: It adds an extra sentence which can not be changed and it uses only my name, while my gf uses it as well.
These are just two examples, but the numbers increase with every update of Homey and Homey apps.
What do you (other users and Athom) think about this proposal?
Edit:
- Minor changes
- Update: Issue is also mentioned on Github: https://github.com/athombv/homey/issues/1489 by mwandzik and https://github.com/athombv/homey/issues/1048 byjjtbsomhorst.
Most important is the option to control the pre-programmed sentences.
Comments
1. With every update or added pre-programmed sentence (Homey & apps) I have to change my personalised flows.
2. I want to use the most logical sentences: I am not the only user and I don't want to say something else than "Goodmorning" to let Homey know that I woke up (otherwise I have to remember the "unusual" trigger sentence every morning).
What can I say to Homey?
https://www.athom.com/nl/support/KB000037/https://www.athom.com/en/support/KB000037/
"I am home"
"I am going to sleep"
"I am awake"
"I am back"
And of course: this is list is only the standard Homey sentences. The pre-programmed sentences for Apps are not included, like:
"What will the weather be like" (multiple apps)
"Roll down the shutters"
"Is it raining"
As you can see on the comments on Git the issue became more urgent since Homey version 1.2.
I always had aflow with the command: "Doe het licht uit" which would turn off all lights.
It still does that, but now it asks: Do you really want to turn of the lights? and then it turns them off anyway because it also trigger my flow, but homey stays in a listening state for some seconds because it is waiting for me to say yes or no.
I tried replacing the word "licht"(light) with "lampen" (lamps) but it still triggers the pre-programmed flow. Really annoying
Then something goes wrong, user accidentally disables an option they didn't want, but didn't notice they did it, so the user knocks on the door of athom, since it is not working (anymore).
Athom then needs to go down a list of 50+ questions just to know that users situation (they can't see your current state of your homey... its called privacy
and after all those questions and half an hour (or maybe more since response time is dependable on both parties) of time, they came to the conclusion that is was just 1 checkbox unchecked in the settings.
If it just 1 user... then ok, but athom/homey is getting more and more users, if 10 people have a similar issue everyday, it adds up quick.
It get's very annoying now
So I guess Homey found the word 'next' in the sentence and decided it was about playing music, while there is an app which also knows the word 'next' AND other words in the sentence (like 'appointment').
Second this. Athom please comment